How Can I Show Feminists That I Am Smarter Than Them? (NCITW)
I think this is the best response this guy has given yet. (Don’t worry, the title is regarding what he’s been asked.)
Reblogging for the bit about no one caring about your hypothetical details. PREACH IT
before ya’ll go talking about “misandry,” lemme explain you a thing
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>Marriage laws are in your favor
>Custody laws too, 80% of children go to their mother
>Seen by society as more important than any man as seen by headlines “23 people killed 7 of those women and children”
>Spared the death sentence in America simply because you’re female
>Have sex with an underage boy in his teens, not seen as statutory rape, blame the boy
>Instantly appreciated by people, men are constantly nice to you
>Dating game is 100% in your favor
>Can marry a man that’s higher in status simply because you’re decent looking
>Slap a man, don’t expect to be hit back because your whiteknights will easily defend you
>Abort of child without the mans consent, you’re pro-choice, a man wants you to get an abortion he’s seen as a disgusting person
>Can get free drinks from beta men on a night out easily
Yeah, being a woman is hard…. idiots
(binary language ahead for the sake of this argument, sorry)
I’m pretty sure being thought of as less capable and weak is not equality. And just because some things are ‘easy’ (when you put them in the exaggerated terms that you did) does not make them what we want.
- I’m guessing by ‘marriage laws are in your favor’ you’re speaking about divorce and lawsuits that follow being in the favor of the wife? This is because the woman is seen as needing more help supporting herself without her partner.
- Custody laws? Because women are seen as more nurturing and as care takers. Who is really going to argue that the child shouldn’t go to the more capable parent?
- “more important”, headlines like that are used for shock value, and it’s usually ‘women and children’, women are placed on the same level as children as far as helplessness in situations like this.
- As for the death sentence, while I don’t agree with it at all, women rarely receive the death penalty because they are seen as pitiable, helpless, etc. What we can talk about is how racist the justice system is and how many black people are given the death penalty and white people with the same offenses are not. Do you want to talk about how white people have it good? I’m more interested in that discussion.
- Most of these cases of statutory rape the woman is charged. When they aren’t can you not see how this again goes back to women being pitiable, sexualized and not seen as a ‘threat’/weak.
- I haven’t experienced this ‘instantly nice to you’ phenomenon I’ve received plenty of harassment and requests to ‘smile’ ‘let me see your hair/face’, being called ‘darling’, ‘sweetie’ or other annoying pet names by strangers. So I think you’re confusing people genuinely being nice to me for people trying to get something from me or pretending to be nice for whatever reason.
- Dating game full of men who think they’ve been ‘friend zoned’ because they never got the sex/date they felt so entitled to, the many sexual insults (slut, whore, etc) from dating ‘too many’ people, etc. I don’t know how exactly you decide what is ‘in your favor’ as far as dating goes. I’ve had more failures than successes, I will tell you that much. I’ve heard plenty of men describe exes as ‘psycho’, sluts, etc.
- A man marrying a woman of ‘lower status’ because she is ‘decent looking’ seems to be a problem with the man’s value on a woman’s looks and body before anything else.
- No one should be hitting anyone, but again this comes back to women being seen as weak, defenseless, pitiable…
- Sorry, who is the pregnant one?
- FREE DRINKS ! Sexism is over!! (free drinks goes back to entitlement to sex/a person’s looks)
That’s really why it’s “easy to be a woman” to you? Sorry for you.
re: the custody thing, I can’t find it at the moment, but wasn’t there that article going round about men who SEEK custody get it? There’s no point saying 80% of mothers get custody when you ignore the stats about how many men actually WANT custody to their child. Also, I doubt that every woman in that 80% necessarily wants to have full custody; it is a sexist standard that the woman gets it by default. We didn’t ask for it to be this way, MRAs. Blame the patriarchy.
fuckyeahchoice has already covered all of these poor points really well. I’m really trying to understand why the OP feels like their points somehow prove the oppression of men, or that these things are the fault of oppressive female standards. The fact that things like “dating is easier/ free drinks / marrying a high status man coz you’re pretty” as actual serious examples of female privilege or male oppression or whatever you call it, is just laughable and embarrassing.
Person A and Person B are in a car together. They get into an accident.
Person A has a small scratch on their hand. Person B has a piece of the dashboard going through their rib cage, can barely breathe, is bleeding from the stomach, the head and has had their arm ripped off completely.
Six rescue workers arrive on the scene.
Three workers help Person A. Three workers help Person B.
This is a really good metaphor. Someone needs to show it to that douchecanoe The Amazing Atheist who said, “Feminism is the idea that we can make both sexes equal by focusing solely on the issues of one of them.”
Men, are you worried for your own safety because misandry?
You need to accept that misandry happens in the real world and take some precautions.
Take a self defense class, they’re only a couple hundred dollars a month.
Don’t go out after dark unless you have a woman to chaperone you. Misandrists are less likely to attack if they see you are with another woman.
Don’t wear anything too douchey. If you’re wearing a fedora or a sexist t-shirt, etc. you’re pretty much asking to get attacked. Misandrists can’t control themselves when they see a man in a fedora, their instincts kick in and before they know it they have a dead male corpse in their hands. Just be a good boy and don’t tempt them, okay?
Don’t ever invite a woman into your home. Misandrists will interpret this as you consenting to physical violence.
Drinking increases your risk of being attacked by a misandrist. They target drunk men because their inhibitions are lowered.
Never leave your drink unattended. Misandrists are notorious for poisoning men at parties and bars.
If a misandrist does attack you, be quiet and just let her finish or you might anger her further and you are liable to get murdered instead of just mutilated. But also, be sure to put up a good fight because a lot of men say they don’t want to be attacked by misandrists but deep down, they really like it.
And remember, accusing a woman of abusive misandry is worse than being abused by a misandrist. So before you make accusations, make sure it wasn’t all just a silly misunderstanding.
This would be hilarious if it weren’t so harrowing in its implications about rape culture.
Occasionally, Cracked gets it right.
“And the best part of all of it is that most online MRM/MRA defenders are teenage boys, who are primarly afraid of women’s rights, and rightly so, because then their moms would make all the rules forever.”
Men feel the pressures of society just as much as women. Through my internet searches I have come across nothing that encourages body positivity in men. This needs to change.
Please, tell me of the struggles this dude faces as a white male. I’m really interested in hearing about the alternate reality that he inhabits.
WHAT A DUMBASS POST
CRY HARDER WHITE BOY
Booohooooo who says all girls wanna look like barbie dipshit
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Are you guys honestly saying that just because he’s a man and white? Are you fucking kidding me? You all do realize what you’re technically saying right? You’re pretty much saying that that this guy has no right to be sad because there are people out there who have it worse. I thought that was one of the main things you never tell a person with depression, so why are any of you saying that here?
Seriously, what world do you guys live in? What if a white man abused as a child? What if they were told that they were not good enough by their family and and people around him? Do you think every white guy lives a life where everybody loves them, nobody thinks they’re ugly and they get everything they want by simply asking for it once? You have to be a complete fool to believe that.
Are you trying to tell me that a white person can’t be depressed because he is “privileged over everybody else”? Let me put it to you like this: Let’s say a white man loses his job, is insecure about his body (because maybe he’s not very tall or muscular, which is what society today tells a man he should look like), and has no friends. Now let’s say you have a successful black business woman who makes a lot of money, has a great social life, but also has depression. Which one of these two people has more right to be depressed? The answer: NEITHER!!!! Because depression is not always about how successful you are life or what you have. Depression is feeling that you’re not a good enough person no matter who you are and how hard you try.
All you that contributed to the above commentary should be ashamed of yourselves. There are people out there, include white boys, who hate themselves because of their looks. They will self harm just like anybody else with self hate issues, but none of you care. All you care about is their gender and skin color. I’d hate to see what any of you would say if ever met a cutter that happened to be a white guy. What would you say when if showed you his scars? Would you laugh in his face? What if he told you that he attempted suicide? Would you roll your eyes at him?
None of you are any better than those racist and sexist people you claim to hate so much. You don’t want equality. You want anybody that shares physical similarities with “the oppressor” to feel like shit. You want people who to be looked down upon because of the their race and gender; two things they have no control over. How is that any better than someone belittling a black/hispanic/asian/etc person because of a broad and untrue generalization?
I’ve come to realize this important fact: Tumblr isn’t the safe haven for logical people that so many people want to claim it is. It’s full immature, hypocritical , and ignorant people just like any other website. I don’t care if I lose followers because of this. This has to stop.
Actually… it’s HARDER to be Ken than it is to be Barbie.
Ken is, at best, an accessory to Barbie. Like any outfit, or any Dream House. Give a boy a Ken doll for Christmas and it will be naked and headless by week ends. Brutalized by “Action” figures.
Ken is a man based on the values of women, FOR the values of women.
He is a victim of misandry like the entire human race is.
You are WORSE than those you whom claim oppress you, because as victims of oppression you should know better. But rather than learn how wrong oppression is, you just seek to scapegoat some “other”. The quick fix to feel empowered while doing NOTHING to make anyone’s life better.
I hope other will join me in revoking your credentials as feminists, and as human beings. You are nothing but Viricaust War Criminals.
Alright, I’m not going to refute that there is pressure on men to be perfect. That is the point of the original post, and given the rise in male anorexia, the rise of bigorexia, and the increase in male anxiety about physical traits (based on a survey), there are certainly problems.
However, you spend your time refuting that the same is true for women. That women are not harmed by a doll whose figure would force her to crawl on all fours were she real. Women are harmed by the idolization of the Barbie stereotype. And it is an anti-woman consumerist society that makes it equally stressful for both men and women.
Ken is not portrayed as an accessory to Barbie in the same way that her redhead, brunette, and WoC friends are not portrayed as accessories. He is even given the title (frequently) of “boyfriend,” as opposed to the “best friends.” While Barbie is the main character - naturally - of her franchise, Ken dolls are positively portrayed in the “flavor text.” To deem Ken an accessory (and draw the conclusion that Barbie is misandrist?), you are ignoring context.
Not only that, but in a single sentence, you displayed both your internalization of gender stereotypes (A boy, given a doll, must naturally beat it to death, whereas a girl will treat it as an accessory) and your failure to understand how children play. As discussed in an earlier paragraph, I was MORE violent to my toys than my brother was. But on seperate occassions, my Barbie dolls acted as a powerful story-telling toy. You believe that girls only treat Ken as a sidenote? I assure you, you have not observed little girls play.
Now, I’m not going to act as if Barbie is sacrosanct. There are problems with diversity, although I will defer to the very eloquent WoC of tumblr to elaborate. Not only that, but Barbie is inherently controlled by a commercial media - an institution that perpetuates the Lolita Effect not only in how they market to girls, but how they choose to dress the Barbies (and Skippers).
But let’s get back to the original point of the message. Although the words Ken and Barbie were used as an appeal to the franchise, the implied meaning is “It’s as hard for boys to be perfect as it is for girls.” This, I readily refute.
Men are given hard and fast rules that they are supposed to live by. While these are by no means easy, they are very succinct and powerful messages. These pervade youth and impact the socialization of young boys, such that when boys enter kindergarden and when they leave first grade, the emotional capacity and response are almost completely opposite. There are things to suggest that this is both nature and nurture (violent TV shows do not impact girls as strongly as they impact boys while both genders are in elementary school). But regardless, men are socialized from a young age to understand what it is to Be a Man.
Women, on the other hand, are barraged with a set of double standards. We are told to be innocent but provocative (Aeropastel sold a push-up bra that was advertised to four-year olds). We are told to stifle our sexuality but to bring it out for men. We are told to be demure but strong-willed, polite. We are told to be intelligent but not TOO intelligent. Above all, we are told that our purpose is to get a man, and we are encouraged to follow all sorts of contradictory rules to obtain said man (who then is socialized to dominate us).
I am not even going to mention how hard it is for a woman of color. Oh my god, I would not be able to do it justice, so I again defer to those who can speak to it better.
It is tough being perfect on BOTH ends. And I do not condone basically just laughing at someone in pain. But your supposition that it is more difficult to be “Ken” (male perfect) than “Barbie” (female perfect) is obtuse. It ignores thousands upon thousands of studies, the voices of women themselves, and critical analysis.
And don’t you fucking dare compare your imaginary “men’s oppression” to the Holocaust.
Last, but not least, get the fuck off of my blog. You are not welcome and your thoughts are not at all relevant.
I was planning on writing my own rebuttal to crownmalone’s post, but you’ve beat me to it, and done an amazing job! (there was no way I was even going to bother with stfu-misandrists’s comments, as their blog name says it all)
If Men’s Rights Activists really cared about the rights of men, their main goal would be ending patriarchy by focusing on the oppressive gender norms enforced on men. They’d most likely get a good number of men to support them, because a lot of men secretly hate having to constantly act macho. Since they’d have a common goal with feminism, which is ending patriarchy, they’d be able to team up with feminists, with feminists focusing on how patriarchy hurts women and MRAs focusing on how patriarchy hurts men. With women and men teaming up against patriarchy, it would be easy to end patriarchy, freeing both men and women from their oppressive gender roles.
But Men’s Rights Activists don’t care about the rights of men. They just want to harass feminists. They want men to keep their privilege but not have it backfire against them.
(tw for mention of rape, general misogyny)
These are responses to an article about a campaign to prevent rape and sexual harassment on college campuses.
I feel like there’s a need to break stuff down, not for these douchebags, but more like a rant for my own future reference.
“Y U TALKING ABOUT PREVENTING RAPE, PREVENTING FALSE RAPE ACCUSATIONS IS WAY MORE IMPORTANT AND WOMEN GET FREE DRINKS AT BARS AND CAN FUCK ANYONE AND NEVER GET FRIENDZONED AND MEN ARE RAPED TOO AND I WANT MY MOMMY”
no, Mike Hunter, alleged rapists are not zealously prosecuted by law enforcement. Actually the scenario looks a bit more like this:
And here’s the thing about the “False rape accusations” that you care about so much (and why wouldn’t you, it’s the only part of this lame feminist bullshit that applies directly to you). Do you know what’s the feminist stance on false rape accusations? Do you know what is the women’s stance on false rape accusations? We fucking hate them.
Yeah, we hate them. Because being falsely accused of raping someone, like false accusations of stealing, murdering or molesting, can destroy a person’s reputation. And they are usually done with the purpose of destroying someone’s reputation and/or get money. And also, false accusations of rape are one of the things that make it so much harder for women who were actually raped to get justice, and more importantly, to put these rapists in jail, where they can’t rape any more innocent people.
Meanwhile, a lot of people get the death penalty for things that they didn’t do, and I don’t see you getting all worked up about that.
What’s wrong with the process of accusing people of rape, rape trials and whatnot is how they’re conducted. When a woman is raped, they ask what she was wearing, how she was dancing, if she was drinking. The victim is attacked as much as the alleged rapist is, some times even more. And the victim is also attacked by her peers, whom many times are quick to judge her as an attention seeking whore. Mix that with the rape and post traumatic disorder and you have a real life ruiner right there.
What people judge in rape trials: If the woman actually wanted to have sex and is just a lying slut - usually confirmed by the fact that she has many sexual partners, drinks, has fun, dresses provocatively.
What people should be judging in rape trials: The rapist’s past sexual conduct, and general attitude towards women. Showing signs of misogyny, past accusations, past relationships, his character. And the victim’s past in LYING.
Because if a woman had many sexual partners before accusing this man of raping her, this should not make her case weaker. If anything, it should make her case stronger, because duh, look at how many men she had consensual sex with, and never tried accusing them of anything.
Another interesting point that clueless people usually add to conversations, is the fact that women get free drinks in bars, often get in for free in places that charge entrance for men, and, as a friend dearly pointed out to me: “If you stand up at this bar right now and say - who wants to fuck me? - i bet at least 10 guys would raise their hands”.
But here’s the thing. From a privileged white male perspective, getting free drinks and being able to have sex whenever you want are just the cherry on the top of your beautiful cake. It would be literally the last thing you’ll need to make your life perfect. And to women, it makes for a shitty consolation prize for being born and raised as a second class citizen, and it actually increases her chances of getting sexually assaulted or raped. Oh and by the way, the “free drinks” and “10 men raising hands” only count for women who are considered suitably fuckable by strange men and bartenders. You may guess that this is not exactly a fair game for women who don’t resemble the current beauty standard.
And men are raped, too. And their rapes are even less reported, because men feel so much shame in admitting that they suffered this, when they’re supposed to be raised to be strong and invincible. And the fact that men don’t get the same paternity leave as a mother does is unfair. And the fact that children almost automatically are in custody of the mother in cases of divorce is also unfair as fuck. Guess what’s the cause of all of these 3 things being an issue? Your dear patriarchy. The same one that grants you the respect and rights that are denied to women. Because that’s what defines gender roles that make men so afraid to report their rapes and sexual assaults. That’s what defines that the moms are the ones who should care for children and kick you out of your child’s life.
So guess what? We’re on the same side. And if you could only stop whining, you’d realize that.