(The Daily Dot) - Last week, Facebook defied all expectations and announced a groundbreaking new policy change in its stance regarding gender-based hate speech. The move promises an overhaul of current community guidelines and increased training for Facebook staff, but it comes only after a campaign to alert advertisers and the media to the prevalence of violent images and themes on Facebook, which often skate through censors because they appear on “humor” pages.
But not everyone is happy about the change—particularly men’s rights activists (MRAs), who claim that Facebook is giving in to a feminist threat. At MRA hub A Voice for Men (AVFM), founder Paul Elam declared that the changes were part of a sweeping feminist agenda to “ensure that their narrative is the only one allowed.”
The “narrative” in question refers to Women, Action, and the Media’s request that Facebook stop protecting “humorous” Facebook communities that actively promote violence against women.
Like this one:
Why? Because MRA websites, including A Voice for Men, have often featured images of bruised and bloodied abuse victims, often with a jokey (or not-so-jokey) caption implying that the women deserve it. The post “If You See Jezebel in the Road, Run That Bitch Down,” for example, originally ran with an image of a woman with a black eye (trigger warning: domestic abuse) and the caption “Maybe she DID have it coming.”
The MRAs are trying to make this about “free speech” what they don’t understand is that free speech only protects you from the government.
Free speech does not equal social entitlement.
SORRY TO REBLOG STRAIGHT AWAY BUT GUYS???
SARUMAN READ OUT THIS MESSAGE AND ITS THE FUNNIEST THING HOLY SHIT?!?
you’d think by his age christopher lee would have stopped getting progressively cooler all the time
WHERE IS THIS FROM IS IT NOT AN IMPRESSION I JUST
GUYS GUYS OMG CALM DOWN
This is reddit user CressCrowbits doing a Saruman impression!
THIS IS REDDIT USER CRESSCROWBITS DOING A SARUMAN IMPRESSION
i knew it was too good to be true
but it’s still beautiful
>Marriage laws are in your favor
>Custody laws too, 80% of children go to their mother
>Seen by society as more important than any man as seen by headlines “23 people killed 7 of those women and children”
>Spared the death sentence in America simply because you’re female
>Have sex with an underage boy in his teens, not seen as statutory rape, blame the boy
>Instantly appreciated by people, men are constantly nice to you
>Dating game is 100% in your favor
>Can marry a man that’s higher in status simply because you’re decent looking
>Slap a man, don’t expect to be hit back because your whiteknights will easily defend you
>Abort of child without the mans consent, you’re pro-choice, a man wants you to get an abortion he’s seen as a disgusting person
>Can get free drinks from beta men on a night out easily
Yeah, being a woman is hard…. idiots
(binary language ahead for the sake of this argument, sorry)
I’m pretty sure being thought of as less capable and weak is not equality. And just because some things are ‘easy’ (when you put them in the exaggerated terms that you did) does not make them what we want.
- I’m guessing by ‘marriage laws are in your favor’ you’re speaking about divorce and lawsuits that follow being in the favor of the wife? This is because the woman is seen as needing more help supporting herself without her partner.
- Custody laws? Because women are seen as more nurturing and as care takers. Who is really going to argue that the child shouldn’t go to the more capable parent?
- “more important”, headlines like that are used for shock value, and it’s usually ‘women and children’, women are placed on the same level as children as far as helplessness in situations like this.
- As for the death sentence, while I don’t agree with it at all, women rarely receive the death penalty because they are seen as pitiable, helpless, etc. What we can talk about is how racist the justice system is and how many black people are given the death penalty and white people with the same offenses are not. Do you want to talk about how white people have it good? I’m more interested in that discussion.
- Most of these cases of statutory rape the woman is charged. When they aren’t can you not see how this again goes back to women being pitiable, sexualized and not seen as a ‘threat’/weak.
- I haven’t experienced this ‘instantly nice to you’ phenomenon I’ve received plenty of harassment and requests to ‘smile’ ‘let me see your hair/face’, being called ‘darling’, ‘sweetie’ or other annoying pet names by strangers. So I think you’re confusing people genuinely being nice to me for people trying to get something from me or pretending to be nice for whatever reason.
- Dating game full of men who think they’ve been ‘friend zoned’ because they never got the sex/date they felt so entitled to, the many sexual insults (slut, whore, etc) from dating ‘too many’ people, etc. I don’t know how exactly you decide what is ‘in your favor’ as far as dating goes. I’ve had more failures than successes, I will tell you that much. I’ve heard plenty of men describe exes as ‘psycho’, sluts, etc.
- A man marrying a woman of ‘lower status’ because she is ‘decent looking’ seems to be a problem with the man’s value on a woman’s looks and body before anything else.
- No one should be hitting anyone, but again this comes back to women being seen as weak, defenseless, pitiable…
- Sorry, who is the pregnant one?
- FREE DRINKS ! Sexism is over!! (free drinks goes back to entitlement to sex/a person’s looks)
That’s really why it’s “easy to be a woman” to you? Sorry for you.
re: the custody thing, I can’t find it at the moment, but wasn’t there that article going round about men who SEEK custody get it? There’s no point saying 80% of mothers get custody when you ignore the stats about how many men actually WANT custody to their child. Also, I doubt that every woman in that 80% necessarily wants to have full custody; it is a sexist standard that the woman gets it by default. We didn’t ask for it to be this way, MRAs. Blame the patriarchy.
fuckyeahchoice has already covered all of these poor points really well. I’m really trying to understand why the OP feels like their points somehow prove the oppression of men, or that these things are the fault of oppressive female standards. The fact that things like “dating is easier/ free drinks / marrying a high status man coz you’re pretty” as actual serious examples of female privilege or male oppression or whatever you call it, is just laughable and embarrassing.
from About Male Privilege
that sums up my beef with MRA’s perfectly. if you want to create safe spaces for men who are victims of abuse, that’s perfectly fine. if you want to campaign for awareness of sexual/domestic violence against men, that’s fine, too.
but stop talking over women to do it
(tw for mention of rape, general misogyny)
These are responses to an article about a campaign to prevent rape and sexual harassment on college campuses.
I feel like there’s a need to break stuff down, not for these douchebags, but more like a rant for my own future reference.
“Y U TALKING ABOUT PREVENTING RAPE, PREVENTING FALSE RAPE ACCUSATIONS IS WAY MORE IMPORTANT AND WOMEN GET FREE DRINKS AT BARS AND CAN FUCK ANYONE AND NEVER GET FRIENDZONED AND MEN ARE RAPED TOO AND I WANT MY MOMMY”
no, Mike Hunter, alleged rapists are not zealously prosecuted by law enforcement. Actually the scenario looks a bit more like this:
And here’s the thing about the “False rape accusations” that you care about so much (and why wouldn’t you, it’s the only part of this lame feminist bullshit that applies directly to you). Do you know what’s the feminist stance on false rape accusations? Do you know what is the women’s stance on false rape accusations? We fucking hate them.
Yeah, we hate them. Because being falsely accused of raping someone, like false accusations of stealing, murdering or molesting, can destroy a person’s reputation. And they are usually done with the purpose of destroying someone’s reputation and/or get money. And also, false accusations of rape are one of the things that make it so much harder for women who were actually raped to get justice, and more importantly, to put these rapists in jail, where they can’t rape any more innocent people.
Meanwhile, a lot of people get the death penalty for things that they didn’t do, and I don’t see you getting all worked up about that.
What’s wrong with the process of accusing people of rape, rape trials and whatnot is how they’re conducted. When a woman is raped, they ask what she was wearing, how she was dancing, if she was drinking. The victim is attacked as much as the alleged rapist is, some times even more. And the victim is also attacked by her peers, whom many times are quick to judge her as an attention seeking whore. Mix that with the rape and post traumatic disorder and you have a real life ruiner right there.
What people judge in rape trials: If the woman actually wanted to have sex and is just a lying slut - usually confirmed by the fact that she has many sexual partners, drinks, has fun, dresses provocatively.
What people should be judging in rape trials: The rapist’s past sexual conduct, and general attitude towards women. Showing signs of misogyny, past accusations, past relationships, his character. And the victim’s past in LYING.
Because if a woman had many sexual partners before accusing this man of raping her, this should not make her case weaker. If anything, it should make her case stronger, because duh, look at how many men she had consensual sex with, and never tried accusing them of anything.
Another interesting point that clueless people usually add to conversations, is the fact that women get free drinks in bars, often get in for free in places that charge entrance for men, and, as a friend dearly pointed out to me: “If you stand up at this bar right now and say - who wants to fuck me? - i bet at least 10 guys would raise their hands”.
But here’s the thing. From a privileged white male perspective, getting free drinks and being able to have sex whenever you want are just the cherry on the top of your beautiful cake. It would be literally the last thing you’ll need to make your life perfect. And to women, it makes for a shitty consolation prize for being born and raised as a second class citizen, and it actually increases her chances of getting sexually assaulted or raped. Oh and by the way, the “free drinks” and “10 men raising hands” only count for women who are considered suitably fuckable by strange men and bartenders. You may guess that this is not exactly a fair game for women who don’t resemble the current beauty standard.
And men are raped, too. And their rapes are even less reported, because men feel so much shame in admitting that they suffered this, when they’re supposed to be raised to be strong and invincible. And the fact that men don’t get the same paternity leave as a mother does is unfair. And the fact that children almost automatically are in custody of the mother in cases of divorce is also unfair as fuck. Guess what’s the cause of all of these 3 things being an issue? Your dear patriarchy. The same one that grants you the respect and rights that are denied to women. Because that’s what defines gender roles that make men so afraid to report their rapes and sexual assaults. That’s what defines that the moms are the ones who should care for children and kick you out of your child’s life.
So guess what? We’re on the same side. And if you could only stop whining, you’d realize that.
mens rights activism is sort of like a child making a mess in his own room while he is looking for a baseball bat to destroy his sisters room with
after he is finished destroying her room he returns to his own room only to notice the mess he made for himself when he went to fuck his sisters room up
and when his sister comes home telling him to fix the mess he made in her room he denies he did anything, calls her a bitch and insists this was her own doing, demands she fix his room before he fixes hers and ultimately ends up storming out of the house in disbelief when she gives up on arguing and starts cleaning her own room rather than his
When you get up all in my face about male sexual assault victims, I always wonder why you never seem to know very much about these men and boys. See, I used to investigate child abuse, and I don’t recall seeing very many men rallying to raise money for, oh, counseling of sexual abuse victims, or rape kit testing, or shelters where those kids and their non-abusive caretakers could stay. You allude vaguely to prison rape, but rarely explore the dynamics that split incarcerated men into victims and perpetrators. You lack empathy with them; you speak of them as a vague, undifferentiated, othered mass, a group that you do not belong to, but that you will nevertheless exploit for emotional appeals. Your discussions of domestic violence are invariably shallow and heterocentric; violence between gay men is not something you really care about. Most importantly, you seem entirely ignorant of the fact that resources for victims only really came about when women got together, protested, raised money, and fought back to help each other. You seem to have no such interest in helping male victims. You are simply angry that we will not permit your gender to seize what we have scraped together and edge women out totally, because you cannot comprehend of any solution to violence that is not more violence.
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